Are you going to be able to be a rogue? If so, and you capture a cosmpiercer, will you get significant direct payments? Finally, if players from different factions work together to capture a cosmpiercer, which faction does it go to?
Are you going to be able to be a rogue? If so, and you capture a cosmpiercer, will you get significant direct payments? Finally, if players from different factions work together to capture a cosmpiercer, which faction does it go to?
You could be a rogue, yes. You won't be able to capture a cosmpiercer if you don't have a faction though, as all members attempting to capture need to be from the same faction.
I imagine the RP reasoning behind that is that Cosmpiercers are such big, resource-intensive things that a single person is unable to mobilize the capital required to manage such a device..
No, a clan would never be that big. Scatterhome, Song Dominion, Celestine Ascendancy are entire civilizations. If the game gets big enough, we'd let players found more civilizations though.
I know one of the reasons that Achaea's landmark system was removed was because of the positive feedback loop. The group that always captured landmarks got stronger, enabling them to better capture landmarks and get stronger, etc etc.
How do you plan on preventing something similar in Starmourn from happening? There is a personal and organizational interest in keeping as many Cosmpiercers in control as possible, with tangible rewards from the Y'saar, making you richer and thus able to build infrastructure (or to pay others to grind stuff out) to make you stronger and able capture more Cosmpiercers.
I feel that if there's no limiting factor (like diminishing returns beyond a certain number of CP's captured) then it'll just lead to one Civ. owning something like 70% of them and forever shutting the other two out.
It might. We'll see! There's a positive feedback loop there, but not a super strong one. It's much less convenient to try to maintain all the Cosmpiercers in the game given travel times in ships and such vs 9 landmarks (for those who don't know what the landmarking system in Achaea was, see here: http://wiki.achaea.com/Category:Landmarks) that were easy and quick to get to. It's also significantly less meaningful in terms of consequences than landmarking was (for the affected classes at least).
The main reason landmarking got removed in Achaea wasn't because of positive feedback loops though. It was because when it was initially 24/7, people got tired of the constant pressure given how important and consequential it was to each side. Then when we limited the time during which you can affect the landmarks, people got burned out on that too. Some people were just not logging in during that time because they didn't want to deal with their city and/or guild harassing them to focus hardcore on landmarking.
We'll see how this system goes. One thing I can guarantee is that it will need changes at some point. What type? Who knows. We'll see when you guys get your hands on it.
The main reason landmarking got removed in Achaea wasn't because of positive feedback loops though. It was because when it was initially 24/7, people got tired of the constant pressure given how important and consequential it was to each side. Then when we limited the time during which you can affect the landmarks, people got burned out on that too. Some people were just not logging in during that time because they didn't want to deal with their city and/or guild harassing them to focus hardcore on landmarking.
We'll see how this system goes. One thing I can guarantee is that it will need changes at some point. What type? Who knows. We'll see when you guys get your hands on it.
That's true not just for that landmarking system, but any number of other conflict-generating systems implemented by each of the IRE muds over the years. The landmark system was implemented in... early 2000s? I can still remember a handful of clashes over those landmarks, so it was certainly fun and intense for it to have burned itself into my long term memory like that. But, as you said, it eventually turned into a grind, even when it was only once a fortnight.
That's true for most similar systems over the years and the big shame in all that is that these systems take time and effort to write, and like a good album, only get thrown out if people listen to it too much.
It has occurred to me that implementing the "next new thing" BEFORE the existing becomes old and tedious, may have allowed systems that were fun, to continue to have a place in the game. Perhaps landmarks could have been relegated to being manually initiated by the game producer on rare occasions, with less important effects.
Perhaps landmarks could have been relegated to being manually initiated by the game producer on rare occasions, with less important effects.
Personally, I hope Starmourn mechanics do not go this way. Yes, every large-scale conflict has a potential to turn into a grind. Many, many years I used to enjoy Ragnarok Online, where territory battles were activated twice a week. Yes, after several months holding on to the castles was becoming a chore. The dynamic was simple: a guild that was too tired to defend, lost the ground along with the profits. I don't see it as a flaw of such systems. Of course, steps can be taken in order to make battles less repetitive. But we need to see how cosmpiercers actually work. They are one of the aspects of the game I am most looking forward to, as I have always loved Realm versus Realm :-) And even if the system is imperfect, I really want it to be meaningful.
Are player-made props and the like useable on cosmpiercers? And if so, are they cleared away when it's up for grabs again? I'm curious if engineers who can "establish networks of turrets (that other engineers can splice into) that must be powered with a QPC - quantum power cell." from the class page can set up controlling influence in anticipation of competition on the cosmpiercer each cycle.
Will Cosmpiercers always be in the same location or will they change when they go active or just periodically or not at all? Are they always visible or only when active?
ETA: The website page info suggests they're always active, so that makes that aspect of my questions moot, if so.
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Tecton-Today at 6:17 PM
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I'm guessing organisations will also have some way of getting notified when a cosmpiercer they control is getting attacked so you can show up and defend?
Interested to see how things play out, how long they take to capture etc...
Will there be a setting to simplify or even remove all the visual inputs(like N,W,S,E) and descriptions of each room when you use landmarks? I always got so frustrated with the walls of text that would completely cut off conversations and the like, and I would have to sift through everything just to see what was going on.
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Or some nonsense like that :P
The main reason landmarking got removed in Achaea wasn't because of positive feedback loops though. It was because when it was initially 24/7, people got tired of the constant pressure given how important and consequential it was to each side. Then when we limited the time during which you can affect the landmarks, people got burned out on that too. Some people were just not logging in during that time because they didn't want to deal with their city and/or guild harassing them to focus hardcore on landmarking.
We'll see how this system goes. One thing I can guarantee is that it will need changes at some point. What type? Who knows. We'll see when you guys get your hands on it.
Better hope your city can afford it!
(probably a terrible way to balance it)
Gotta have something to do when few people are around :P
That's true for most similar systems over the years and the big shame in all that is that these systems take time and effort to write, and like a good album, only get thrown out if people listen to it too much.
It has occurred to me that implementing the "next new thing" BEFORE the existing becomes old and tedious, may have allowed systems that were fun, to continue to have a place in the game. Perhaps landmarks could have been relegated to being manually initiated by the game producer on rare occasions, with less important effects.
https://countingdownto.com/?c=2341194
ETA: The website page info suggests they're always active, so that makes that aspect of my questions moot, if so.
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I'm going on a rampage
TectonToday at 2:17 PM
They're called w'hoorn, Groot
sets out a saucer of milk
Interested to see how things play out, how long they take to capture etc...