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If you check HELP INFLUENCE you'll discover that promoting people to admin positions is literally the first thing listed for what calls are to be used for. 
"You know what the chain of command is? It’s the chain I go get and beat you with ’til you understand who’s in ruttin’ command here."
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  • Aimed af.
  • edited December 2018
    Ho ho ho. We've brought it to the forums and we're aiming ironsights at folks??

    Lemme at em!

    Right now,  Scatterhome is filled to the brim with folks who refuse to have any form of governance even if it is beneficial to everyone around them. We came up with a charter or consensus that folks should not kill novices or go insane on faction comms but were told by these same people that we can't control them because it's their freedom to talk or kill whoever they want. Even though HELP IC AND HELP PK clearly stated these rules were there. They used Scatterhomes no rule policy to not follow it.

    Some people have taken this whole I have the freedom to do anything and I want no form of people in positions thing way too far. It is literally part of the game folks!!! Lol. We need people in these positions to progress as a faction. I am all for personal freedom but don't drag us down in the mud with you.


    Then we have people who lose something in the result of a call or referendum and scream that it shouldn't count because 90% of Scatterhome did not vote. Which more than 70% of them will never wake up from cold storage again. While the others could have voted but have not reached level 10 or they refuse to take the time out their day to read about the 130+ news post that we've discussed every political move on. The calls take 24 hours to pass and the referendum takes 40 hours. Folks, I had my entire family over for Christmas but I was able to log in and read everything and vote before going to bed. Stop using this as in excuse to reverse calls and referendums that you don't like.
    (Scatterhome): You say, "Do you like things up your ass? Is your record clean? Are you looking for a job in the near future but not right now? Smuggle drugs for Solus and get stuffed across the galaxy."

  • Do me a favor folks and look at https://www.starmourn.com/scatterhome/ and scroll down to "How is Scatterhome "Governered"

    First sentence in this is : "While there's no government, the citizens of Starmourn have worked out a system of governing themselves, for regardless of their antipathy for formal government, someone has to be able to command their armada, someone has to be able to spend Marks on the city's behalf, and so on.".

    Someone HAS to do it, folks, so can we put people in these positions and let our faction progress, please?

    Second important sentence: "Essentially, this system means that those who work to help Scatterhome (in the ways that can be measured at least) will have vastly greater influence over the goings-on in the city than those who don’t, and anyone can submit Calls to do a variety of things.".

    Stop getting mad when votes don't go your way, please. If you don't like the results then raise your influence higher and gather people who agree with you so that the next time you put up a call you can influence our faction the way you'd like. 


    (Scatterhome): You say, "Do you like things up your ass? Is your record clean? Are you looking for a job in the near future but not right now? Smuggle drugs for Solus and get stuffed across the galaxy."

  • You can grind up to start your own faction if you create a Dynasty >.>
  • Unrepentant "Join Song/Celestine!" post!
    Mereas Eyrlock
    "They're excited, but poor."
    - Ilyos (August 2019)
  • Matlkael said:
    Unrepentant "Join Song/Celestine!" post!
    Go away scum!! lol

    Scatterhome for life!
    (Scatterhome): You say, "Do you like things up your ass? Is your record clean? Are you looking for a job in the near future but not right now? Smuggle drugs for Solus and get stuffed across the galaxy."

  • KaxKax
    edited December 2018
    Solus said:
    Matlkael said:
    Unrepentant "Join Song/Celestine!" post!
    Go away scum!! lol

    Scatterhome for life!
    I actually kind of agree with Matlkael...if people want things fair and orderly, they need to be in a different faction. 

    I mean, I can see trying to John Wayne it up, bring the Law to the frontier and all that. But if you want to try that, at least have the decency to do it properly, with fistfights and shootouts.
    "You know what the chain of command is? It’s the chain I go get and beat you with ’til you understand who’s in ruttin’ command here."
  • Preach it @Solus
  • Yalau said:
    Preach it @Solus
    Despite how nicely I posted everything, I still expect some folks to come after me for this! :dizzy:

    Someone had to say it!

    (insert shameless ads for drugs and escorts)
    (Scatterhome): You say, "Do you like things up your ass? Is your record clean? Are you looking for a job in the near future but not right now? Smuggle drugs for Solus and get stuffed across the galaxy."

  • Hoo boy tonight was a doozy.  Can we get some guidance from on high, at least for a little while?  People are getting tired of the constant calls and referendums but they're also the only way to get anything done.  Then sometimes they aren't done exactly right and their validity is called into question and here we go again, even more referendums when we would all like there to be fewer.  Are we making any progress?  Slowly?  Can we improve the system?
  • I would honestly hate for paper pushers to be degraded to being a scapegoat position. I don't think they should be punished for doing what their job is supposed to be doing.
  • Solus said:
    Do me a favor folks and look at https://www.starmourn.com/scatterhome/ and scroll down to "How is Scatterhome "Governered"

    First sentence in this is : "While there's no government, the citizens of Starmourn have worked out a system of governing themselves, for regardless of their antipathy for formal government, someone has to be able to command their armada, someone has to be able to spend Marks on the city's behalf, and so on.".

    Someone HAS to do it, folks, so can we put people in these positions and let our faction progress, please?

    Second important sentence: "Essentially, this system means that those who work to help Scatterhome (in the ways that can be measured at least) will have vastly greater influence over the goings-on in the city than those who don’t, and anyone can submit Calls to do a variety of things.".

    Stop getting mad when votes don't go your way, please. If you don't like the results then raise your influence higher and gather people who agree with you so that the next time you put up a call you can influence our faction the way you'd like. 


    The problem isn't the positions, it's the process that's being used to ram folks into positions without following the proper channels.

    And to cast shade in the other direction, it's also the people who believe that the positions should be so heavily restricted as to be useless.

    But beyond that, preach my fellow Scatterhomie.
    Dyslexic(Symbolic Dyslexia and Subtracting-Substitution Dyslexia according to a doctor I had at one point.) and have lost my glasses and lack the ability to pay for a new set.
    Thank you for understanding.
  • edited January 2019
    That post was posted during the time we had those issues. Many things have changed since then and new problems arose from the decisions that were made.

    The problem is we are trying to define a system that should have been refined for over 500 years already. Help from the higher ups right now would clarify so many things but we've been dropped into this mess to fix it alone. Quite frankly, this system has been admitted to being experimental and it has caused nothing but struggles. At this point, I heavily suggest someone from higher up to lead us on a direct path.

    There are too many voices claiming this is what Scatterhome should be without even reading the lore and history behind the faction. These voices are powerful enough to change the way things are done even if it is for the worse. I can see nothing but Scatterhome falling behind the other factions and becoming an empty shell of a faction. As of now the only reason we have numbers is that people think of this faction as a place they can do whatever they want. When the faction finally falls from that it will be too late to fix.

    @Tecton @Aurelius

    Send us help in form of a denizen or something, please. There have been 500 years of this experimental government in place already. We shouldn't have to try to build this from scratch.

    Edited**

    Or could you at least correct us on how you envisioned Scatterhome to be? 

    Right now, things are way too vague and everything is up to self-interpretation. If it was at another point in time I would agree with such innovation but given the nature and culture of Scatterhome, it has become more of a problem. Even if everything I said up until this point IC has been wrong I would gladly accept that outcome if it came from one of you and I'm sure the many other voices would be quelled as well.

    Edited***

    Tecton basically said we needa figure it out ourselves. Lore stands though from what he knows that Scatterhome is still running the same government from 500 years ago. It might be a flop? but he wants to let it play out. Dunno how to link discord comments but there's that.
    (Scatterhome): You say, "Do you like things up your ass? Is your record clean? Are you looking for a job in the near future but not right now? Smuggle drugs for Solus and get stuffed across the galaxy."

  • Yalau said:
    Hoo boy tonight was a doozy.  Can we get some guidance from on high, at least for a little while?  People are getting tired of the constant calls and referendums but they're also the only way to get anything done.  Then sometimes they aren't done exactly right and their validity is called into question and here we go again, even more referendums when we would all like there to be fewer.  Are we making any progress?  Slowly?  Can we improve the system?
    Honestly, I think a fair portion of it is gonna come down to culture shift/user training, to wit: Scatterhome doesn't care about you. Your opinion doesn't matter unless you make it matter.

    I've spent 45 minutes failing to figure out a way to convey what I mean exactly.

    But the gist is, if you're upset that a referendum wasn't fair/wasn't representative/didn't properly cover all the options/didn't go the way you wanted...too bad. 
    "You know what the chain of command is? It’s the chain I go get and beat you with ’til you understand who’s in ruttin’ command here."
  • edited January 2019
    If people dislike the constant calls and referendums which are essentially how the faction is run, then they should play elsewhere. 
  • Kax said:
    Yalau said:
    Honestly, I think a fair portion of it is gonna come down to culture shift/user training, to wit: Scatterhome doesn't care about you. Your opinion doesn't matter unless you make it matter.

    I've spent 45 minutes failing to figure out a way to convey what I mean exactly.

    But the gist is, if you're upset that a referendum wasn't fair/wasn't representative/didn't properly cover all the options/didn't go the way you wanted...too bad. 
    That kind of logic is flawed. Things should not be put up for referendum it has not been properly refined and allowed to cover all basis. This is suppose to be a major system in which we use to progress. Instead it has been rushed on every aspect then expected to run perfectly. Then when shit hits the fan we demote folks for something we set them up to fail at.
    (Scatterhome): You say, "Do you like things up your ass? Is your record clean? Are you looking for a job in the near future but not right now? Smuggle drugs for Solus and get stuffed across the galaxy."

  • Arsentar said:
    If people dislike the constant calls and referendums which are essentially how the faction is run, then they should play elsewhere. 
    There's "how the faction is run" and there's "Will you all please just take a breath."  If you are an occasional player, say an hour or two a day- You'll either never get through all of it to actually PLAY the game.  Or, you'll just ignore it all.  Somewhere here, there's a balance.  I don't mind the way the faction is set up, and I play more than an hour a day, and I'm still seriously considering writing a script to just mark all the news read and randomly vote in all the faction calls.
    [Cassandra]: Poet will be unsurprised to learn that she has unread news.
  • Arsentar said:
    If people dislike the constant calls and referendums which are essentially how the faction is run, then they should play elsewhere. 
    It's not the constant calls or referendums, it is the baseless calls that are being abused with no punishment. The referendums are rushed and never thought out properly so we have to take a step back and do them all over again because of it.

    Stop trivializing the system. It's suppose to be for important shit. Not hey I wanna honor steve for petting my turret, he's a cool guy that I met an hour ago.
    (Scatterhome): You say, "Do you like things up your ass? Is your record clean? Are you looking for a job in the near future but not right now? Smuggle drugs for Solus and get stuffed across the galaxy."

  • Here's the deal. I've been in Scatterhome since launch, like a lot of you. I've had FT off for 99% of that time because it's mostly just been spam. I have 171 unread posts of 183 for the faction. I've never used any of my influence to vote in a call. Through all of this, there has been no downside to me doing things this way. There seems to be little upside either. My day to day playing of the game doesn't seem to be influenced one way or another by participating or not participating in my chosen faction. The only reason I haven't left the faction is because the game is in open beta and I'm hoping things will change.

    Here is a pro tip from someone who has played these games for the past 20 years...if you want people to engage politically, try going up to them or sending them tells and engaging with them directly. It will help you and your cause tremendously.
  • @Solus The system is for what people make use of it, ultimately, not for what you think it is.
  • I find it hilarious that people are trying to create organization in an faction that is described as chaotic. It is supposed to be crazy, disorganized, tribal, and a place where crime, organized or otherwise, thrives.

    I have always seen it as a litter of puppies who fight and wrestle and gnaw on each other until something shiny distracts them and they attack it together then fight over the scraps.
  • Historically speaking, IRE factions that prize infighting as an identifier (or just have infighting as an identifier) have not fared well. See: Hashan in Achaea.

    Stability is necessary for a faction to thrive. Then again, maybe Scatterhome will be different.  :p
    Mereas Eyrlock
    "They're excited, but poor."
    - Ilyos (August 2019)
  • Solus said:
    Stop getting mad when votes don't go your way, please. 
    Solus said:
    It's not the constant calls or referendums, it is the baseless calls that are being abused with no punishment. The referendums are rushed and never thought out properly so we have to take a step back and do them all over again because of it.
    Please explain exactly how you think this all should work?
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  • The problem is people thinking it isn't intended to be stable. And thinking you must Rp it as anarchy because reasons.

    The problem, mechanically is that it can't work in such a game. There has to be some order, or it'll eventually be just a bashing ground for song
  • edited January 2019
    I totally agree.  Less voting on minutae, more trust.  We can smack them later if they step out of line.
  • edited January 2019
    It doesn't matter anyway. Once referendums start counting influence we might have to reverse all these decisions. If that does happen the best course of action is to discuss the jurisdiction and expectations of a position should be. This way they are allowed to do their job that they were voted into.

    Meaning a full reset. Getting rid of ambassadors position completely if it gets voted out. Which I support if the role is to be neutered.

    For those of you who keep supporting total chaos, there are people in Scatterhome who aren't there for total chaos. The link I provided in my earlier post even says there are other types of people residing in Scatterhome such as revolutionist, criminals, and etc. To base the entire system anarchy alone is wrong because there are clearly other people here to maintain a semblance of self governing stated in my previous post.


    Solus said:
    Do me a favor folks and look at https://www.starmourn.com/scatterhome/ and scroll down to "How is Scatterhome "Governered"

    First sentence in this is : "While there's no government, the citizens of Starmourn have worked out a system of governing themselves, for regardless of their antipathy for formal government, someone has to be able to command their armada, someone has to be able to spend Marks on the city's behalf, and so on.".

    Someone HAS to do it, folks, so can we put people in these positions and let our faction progress, please?

    Second important sentence: "Essentially, this system means that those who work to help Scatterhome (in the ways that can be measured at least) will have vastly greater influence over the goings-on in the city than those who don’t, and anyone can submit Calls to do a variety of things.".

    Stop getting mad when votes don't go your way, please. If you don't like the results then raise your influence higher and gather people who agree with you so that the next time you put up a call you can influence our faction the way you'd like. 



    Second paragraph, first sentence from the provided link: It's a rallying point within the Starmourn sector for anarchists, revolutionaries-in-hiding, criminals on the run, and other rule-breaking, lawless misfits, but also contains a healthy population of wealthy mining magnates, heads of interstellar corps, and others who appreciate the finer things in life in an environment light on regulation.

    That's right! There are more than just anarchist who lives in Scatterhome. We also see that it says light on regulation which implies that there are regulations, it's just light regulations though.

    It's canon. Get over it.

    (Scatterhome): You say, "Do you like things up your ass? Is your record clean? Are you looking for a job in the near future but not right now? Smuggle drugs for Solus and get stuffed across the galaxy."

  • Montem said:
    Solus said:
    Stop getting mad when votes don't go your way, please. 
    Solus said:
    It's not the constant calls or referendums, it is the baseless calls that are being abused with no punishment. The referendums are rushed and never thought out properly so we have to take a step back and do them all over again because of it.
    Please explain exactly how you think this all should work?
    (My reply was deleted, reposted)

    Honestly, with the gap that we've had in lore on how to run Scatterhome, it's up to us to determine how we should run it. The first thing we need to establish IC as a faction is whether or not we have light regulations or if we are complete anarchy and there are no rules.  Once we decide on this as a faction with majority votes, we can then move onto defining the jurisdiction that each position has and what they have control over. Setting a solid foundation of what they can or cannot do will stop this nonsense of them being controlled and monitored for every action they make. If they abuse their position then demote, oust, besmirch or something.
     
    The calls and votes ARE free and you can post whatever you like but we need to establish that calls affect everyone in the entire faction. Meaning that every single person in the faction will get notifications as to what the call is for. Imagine, you just shot out a flare into the sky in the midst of a bunch of murdering lunatics. Everyone is now staring at you and wondering why you just shot this flare up and then you say "Hey! You should honor this guy for petting my dog. He's cool!". Expect to be killed for stupid shit. Make whatever call you want but I myself find it in RP reasoning for murdering you for being an idiot and wasting my time.
     
    Referendums are in a state where they need to be properly refined and well thought out to be as unbias as possible. We need to post the logical reasoning behind every choice and provide the pros and cons INSIDE the referendum. Not everyone reads the news, referendums need to be able to explain itself without news. Most the time people are voting the same thing as their friends voted without actually even knowing the reasoning behind each option. I am all for mob mentality when it comes to zerging enemies but when it comes to major decisions we need to actually know what we are voting for.
     
    Everything that I said is only my opinion and should not be final. I think it should be refined by many other people besides myself because I myself have not covered all points and may be missing something. We need to find some common ground and come to a compromise that this is how shit runs. This requires people to actually hear each other out and listen to their reasonings and picking the most logical choice. If your opinion was outvoted by the others then it needs to be respected and KNOWN that you can always call for change in the future if you gathered enough people to agree with you.
     
    All in all, I support the idea of very light regulations. Meaning people should be able to do what they want but sometimes there will be regulations to keep shit in line and allow us to progress as a faction.
    (Scatterhome): You say, "Do you like things up your ass? Is your record clean? Are you looking for a job in the near future but not right now? Smuggle drugs for Solus and get stuffed across the galaxy."

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