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Re: Sexual Harassment Allegations
That is definitely a good way to start a productive discussion.Kestrel said:Oh, hey. Go flakk yourself.
Let me tell you one thing. Some players do not care about your OOC gender and would rather wish to play the game as ICly as possible. I am one of those people.
That does not make me suddenly a supporter of harassment culture or anything you might try to insinuate. That does not indicate the existence of such an oppressive culture either in any faction. A female player can drive another female player with same success. Any player can drive any other player via IC or OOC harassment, hence that is not specific to genders.
Hence it is a matter that can be dealt with proper methods I suggested.
Zhulkarn
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Re: Requesting: Ban on rape RP, admin transparency, newbie protection
Again, you are framing this as if this is a major problem in Starmourn which it isn't. It is entirely unrealistic to cater to everyone's perception of what is or isn't appropriate for them particularly in a game built to be edgy. It is not unreasonable to ask people to stop and think through their actions.
This isn't victim blaming at all and it is apparent to me that they very much do care but have faced mounds of frivolous issues over the last two decades or more that IRE has been operating.
In my opinion, this is a crystal clear and realistic progression for self care in this game.
This isn't victim blaming at all and it is apparent to me that they very much do care but have faced mounds of frivolous issues over the last two decades or more that IRE has been operating.
In my opinion, this is a crystal clear and realistic progression for self care in this game.
Minion
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Re: Requesting: Ban on rape RP, admin transparency, newbie protection
Second-to-last paragraph desperately needs a rewrite, but this is a small step in the right direction.
This is a good start. More still needs to be done to retain players. Ideally, it would be great if IRE didn't find it acceptable that they lose even one player due to being harassed.
This is a good start. More still needs to be done to retain players. Ideally, it would be great if IRE didn't find it acceptable that they lose even one player due to being harassed.
Re: Requesting: Ban on rape RP, admin transparency, newbie protection
Yes if we notice it we can certainly aid, but it is also the victim's responsibility to deal with it using the tools available as well. It needs to come from both parties, those who see it and those who are the target of it. The victim in this game isn't powerless, and without their aid in the matter it will simply turn into a witch hunt.
Yalau
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Re: Requesting: Ban on rape RP, admin transparency, newbie protection
The problem is the people who are causing players to leave the game because of harassment will only continue to be around while people aren't bringing up their harassment to the admins. It is exactly because most of the people who get exposed to this kind of behaviour will leave immediately that no amount of telling people that it's against the rules will help the situation. These people need to be removed, but I don't think it's up to the admins or anyone else to monitor everyone to make sure that nobody was being harassed such that they feel that they can't issue about it.
No, it is not the victims' responsibility to improve it. As fellow players, if we become aware of such cases, we should offer our support to the affected players and perhaps even ISSUE it ourselves if we don't think they want to do it. If we see people in our social circles taking part in what could be construed as harassment, we should let them know that this sort of behaviour is unacceptable.
I am just vehemently against painting the whole game and playerbase as such an unsafe space that we need to give new players warnings that essentially say "harassment exists in this game and this is how to deal with it", because that is surely going to drive way more people off before they even get anywhere near interacting with another person. 99% of people here are great. Let's not let a few rotten eggs spoil it for everyone else.
No, it is not the victims' responsibility to improve it. As fellow players, if we become aware of such cases, we should offer our support to the affected players and perhaps even ISSUE it ourselves if we don't think they want to do it. If we see people in our social circles taking part in what could be construed as harassment, we should let them know that this sort of behaviour is unacceptable.
I am just vehemently against painting the whole game and playerbase as such an unsafe space that we need to give new players warnings that essentially say "harassment exists in this game and this is how to deal with it", because that is surely going to drive way more people off before they even get anywhere near interacting with another person. 99% of people here are great. Let's not let a few rotten eggs spoil it for everyone else.
BeepBoop
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Re: Requesting: Ban on rape RP, admin transparency, newbie protection
Is this IC or OOC? If IC there are ways to handle this in the game! If this OOC then it needs to be handled by admins. This is a mature MUD for a reason. There is a way to IC handle this as Soza has already said so I will not go over them again. Now OOC sexual harassment is not acceptable and should be handled by admins and you as a person on the internet should take all measures to isolate yourself from said person.
Woodro
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Re: Requesting: Ban on rape RP, admin transparency, newbie protection
I see it just fine, My opinion is that if they aren't mature enough to use the means that are available to them then its their fault they are leaving. I'm not condoning the behavior, just simply stating that the means to fix these problems are already implemented.
Soza
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Re: Requesting: Ban on rape RP, admin transparency, newbie protection
There are many in game options to stop this sort of thing from occuring, not to mention a simple "Im ignoring you as I feel you are harassing me" will usually also do the trick. If they find other means to pester you after you have exhausted the in-game ways to stop this behavior ie. Ignore/ Bounty/ however you feel your character would respond to the situation. Then you ISSUE the person and its over. Think about it in terms of real life. If you are at a workplace and a person doesn't leave you alone, its not hard to just be older than a 5 year old and simply ignore the person move on with your life and if it persists contact someone who can do something about it. TLDR You have the means, Its your choice to use them or not.
Soza
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Re: Requesting: Ban on rape RP, admin transparency, newbie protection
This line is from HELP HARASSMENT:
"Do not issue frivolously, especially for harassment. Recall the
"Do not issue frivolously, especially for harassment. Recall the
story of the boy who cried wolf, or look it up if you're not
acquainted with Aesop's works."
So it's up to the victim to guess at the admin's level of frivolity? What's a victim supposed to think? That the admins care about victims? Or just that the admins don't want you to annoy them with a sexual harassment issue?
I wish I had never read HELP HARASSMENT. It's so victim-blamey.
So it's up to the victim to guess at the admin's level of frivolity? What's a victim supposed to think? That the admins care about victims? Or just that the admins don't want you to annoy them with a sexual harassment issue?
I wish I had never read HELP HARASSMENT. It's so victim-blamey.
Re: Requesting: Ban on rape RP, admin transparency, newbie protection
To be honest, I find it a bit sad that a game for adults requires explicit statements about harassment. If you think it is clear cut harassment as in some of the examples lately, just hit the ISSUE command. If you think it is borderline, tell the person that you are not interested in interacting with them, IGNORE them, then if they continue, ISSUE them. There is no mistaking what this is then, so nobody should ever feel the worry that the admins will just dismiss it.
BeepBoop
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