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Matlkael said:

That argument goes both ways, however; what if someone keeps going around and killing another person, and the admin decide to rule on the side of the killer? It's simpler and safer to just set up exact places where wanton murder is acceptable: territorial space and cosmpiercer zones come to mind (maybe more, as the game introduces more conflict systems). Outside those zones, PK should be strictly regulated. It's rough and imperfect, but it does provide a safety net to both sides.

Blur said:

@Atalkez It is currently the case, there is consequence free pkilling, and assuming it won't be the case in the future is really what isn't grounded in reality.

If the only viable 'consequence' to you is seeing that person no longer able to play the game, sure there's no consequence to killing people. If not, yes there is consequence. Evidently just not one that you like.

Again you are really being biased in favor of unrestricted killing which is fine but the assumption that people will regulate themselves or need to be regulated in OOC fashion by admins is not really something I agree with. Especially after having seen the so called RP-based killing reasons, let me just say so far they are silly and that is really being polite.

I'm not a "huge pk advocate" like Atalkez, and I'm in favour of them killing if they have a reason to. Which is exactly what he's been stating. Never in the history of IRE have you had to agree with their reason, which happens to be 90% of people who die for something stupid they did... If you don't think it's a valid reason, then that's what issuing is for. So long as you're aware the matter's now OOC and completely out of your hands (which most issue-happy people aren't).

I would like to see PvP and pkilling, but there needs to be consequences for it when its outside pvp events. It should also be an in-game solution to this with enforced rules/consequences rather than have to go the OOC issue player report route.

There are in-game solutions. There's already ruling in place that says if you don't take any steps IC to resolve a conflict, it's likely gonna be dismissed. You can't just say "fuck you" to the person, and then issue them because you don't like dying. If you're not actually willing to talk to the person, then there's not gonna be much pity shown your way. Different people play the game different ways, if you're not gonna find out IC why someone's doing something, then you don't have much leg to stand on by saying there's in-game solutions.

Matlkael said:

If you're looking for hard examples, a couple of weeks ago, Lochlioc was repeatedly killed on the Reynolds clone room by Scatterhome due to a small conflict between Scatterhome and Celestine. Lochlioc went through at least 10 deaths (experience-wise, it was like 50% of a level, I think?).

Anecdotal evidence never helps. Has stuff like this happened frequently enough for it to be brought up as an issue? If not, then it's not a huge deal. There were no rules in place for this kinda thing, when it did happen. There are rules now. Retroactive punishments are not going to be beneficial. The admin know this.

Mechanics were changed to stop further incidents, but the players involved, as far as I know, are still playing and have suffered no other consequence other than they now have to try harder to get 10 easy kills. This is why plain RP-based PK will not work; there needs to be more regulation around it.

See above. RP-based PK does work. Every other IRE game has RP-based PK, and it works just fine. People want others punished for every little thing that they do, that they don't like. That's simply not how the world works.