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Minion said:

I don't really think we need buffs, just more controllable variables, Id even go as far to say if the chance factor is taken out, to lower some of our mind damage just a smidgen.

vekron said:

I think that while the whole chance and risk vs reward is really cool for the class or any class in general. The rewards of our class don't quite weigh up to the risk currently.

Atm we have to risk every time we try to apply a mental aff, we risk every time we go to swap those afflictions for others with a chance of them being swapped to a diff affliction that is already there effectively making you heal them but do a little mind damage. Then we go into the actual "Risk vs reward" tree of Oblivion where everything that is actually riskyseems to be gated behind such an absurd cooldown or able to be interrupted.

If you want the risk and reward that's fine i'm cool with it but actually give some reward rather than it being risk: nothing happens(Or even we cure them) | reward: Whats supposed to happen but it seems to be only as strong as what each other class has with no risk.

closing note, I don't think we need buffs. I think we need to have a functional kit that doesn't rely on chance.

Just closing this up, since it's way off track of the original topic - great discussion though.

Okay, I know some of you won't even understand this in the slightest, but I am going to add my view on this in hopes that it gets through. I was big in PvP in my main MUD for almost 2 years. I wanted to get into it in Achaea, but after some time and actually trying it out a couple of times, It was just to complex for me to feel competent in PvP. Not that I was ever that good at PvP in my main MUD, but the PvP in the other IRE games just didn't have the right feel for me.

Now since I have been in SM I have died I think three times to PvP, all of which in my opinion where good RP reasons and I did put myself in the position to to get attacked. Now for someone just running up and PKing me outside of PvP situations has never happened to me, even in the other IRE games. I believe the reason that it hasn't is because I understand how to interact with others in an RP manner. Now, if by chance someone does PK me, if I think hard enough I am sure I can come up with an RP reason, wither or not I like the reason isn't up to me. Yes, I would have lost xp and even some marks, but now I have a few options I can do. I could find someone that's around the same level or higher then the one that PKed me and I know is decent at PvP and see about hiring him to take him out for me. Now if I think I can do it myself, then yes, I will go and take him out myself and might even leave him a nice little message on his mindism about what happened to those that mess with me or some retort like that.

Going right to making an ISSUE is not the right choice, not only does it take the RP out of the game, but it will make it so even those that don't PK not want much to do with you, since you are going OOC on an RP issue which also ruins peoples immersion into the game. This is a game with all walks of life. If you want a game where you don't get PKed, you can RP all you want, go join a chat room.

P.S read HELP PK and HELP ISSUE, thank you.

The amount of factually incorrect assertions in this thread is staggering. I'm beginning to understand it isn't a complaint about a mythical "consequence-free pk environment" but rather a complaint that being a dick has consequences. If you get killed by faction mates at this point for something you said, I'm gonna say that's on you 99% of the time. Again, I'm not a PvPer, but I've said a lot of bitchy things to people IC and no one's come after me yet. If/when they do, I knew the risk when I was saying things that might piss them off.